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What comes after 2012? What the Mayan Elders are Saying About It. January 8, 2012

There is much fuss over the end of 2012 and many people are confused and scared. Among endless articles on this tpic I came across one really interesting one which I would like to share with you.

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq’ij (is a ceremonial prieCarlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq’ij (is a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos Barrios: “Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed.”

Well indeed many commentors speak also of transformation on the spiritual level.

He continues: “Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action.”

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world’s spiritual traditions.

Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the Earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration. Carlos reminds us: “This process has already begun. Change is accelerating now and it will continue to accelerate.

If the people of the Earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way.”

And now here comes a note which I already addresses in some earlier posts, I was wondering why good people do not join together? It’s interesting how the Mayan Elder gets to that too:

“Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way. We live in a world of polarity — day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance.”

“Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012.”

“On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group’s understandings, are the key. There’s a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus.”

Carlos believes the dark side works to block unity through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want unity. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It’s too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to unity, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.”

So what do we have to do now?

“We are disturbed — we can’t play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action. Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history.”

Carlos says: “The prophesied changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are.

The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It’s not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It’s encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way.”

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42 Responses to “What comes after 2012? What the Mayan Elders are Saying About It.”

  1. mahesh chendake Says:

    Action for what ? just to look within and reconnect ….Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness…….. will take care of everything…
    Thanks

  2. Yes so true Axinia. 2012 is indeed a time of transformation. If we are spiritual and can feel the subtle energies we can feel it. There are emotional, mental and even upheavels that have started within human beings and also flora and fauna. There is a tremendous energy around the earth and the solar system as we enter the Age of Aquarius or the Sat Yuga. Sat means Truth. So as we move into this field all Untruths have to die out . It cannot survive. Just as darkness cannot survive in the light.The Dark Forces know this as they make a last bid to spoil it all. It is their ignorance as there is a Greater Will : The Will of the Divine. In their ignorance they do not realize all is created by this Divine Will and nothing can survive it.
    Many spiritual seekers who have got self realisation are also going through deep changes and transformation.As their bodies, brains, emotions, and even the Ego prepares them to enter into this Great Age of Truth. It is very similar to a mother bearing great pain as the new creation comes into being.They may sometimes feel confused,upset,aggressive unnecessarily, or very emotional. But if they can just witness themselves and know that this throwing out is necessary for the new to enter.

    • I meant there are emotional,mental and even physical upheavals that have started within, and also among the flora and fauna, and all elements. It is happening at every level.

      • axinia Says:

        thank you Deepa for this wonderful comment, I know what you mean…I like the point about the mother in labour pains, this is what it looks like now…so many rapid changes…looking froward to the result of this transformation!

    • @ Deepa Mam ,why top reached people again come down ? why they cant understand change and accept? why always throwing out is necessary ?….then it become story of in law who doesn’t handover in time.. then what is use n meaning of up growth… whether real transformation occurs within them ?
      I think whole society blocks at vishudhi and hansa so every where illusion and confusion…. need cross Agnya and reach at top … I think it will happen this year …

      • Ayurveda or Homeopathy both talk of healing by throwing out the toxins & accumulations. Nowhere do they talk of suppressing them. Suppression of one symptom may erupt in another way. Both Ayurvedic & Homeopathic treatments may throw toxins by vomit, diarrhea,nasal discharges, or skin eruptions. Once this happens the body is able to heal itself. In Sahaja Meditation the cleansing process is similar.
        We humans have free will, so everyone is free to go where they like. To heaven or hell. To self realisation or self destruction.This freedom is only given to humans and not animals or plants, or elements. It is a limited freedom. First we have to learn how to use it , then only the Greater freedom comes.

        • I have not wrote about suppression. i also knows that every individual is unique one and he has his own choices. My point is different I am talking about the individual who seems tobe evolved on upper steps why he himself regrets backstep again ? either he doesn’t understand about his growth or it may be just illusion for himself. I concentrate to your last statement about freedom . my point is either knowingly or unknowingly why I loose my freedom and fails to reach greater freedom or in kingdom of wisdom?
          about Ayurveda and homeopathy they can remove bodily toxins but what about real evolution of self?

          • Dear Mahesh, A person who is on a high level, regresses back because he has still not reached there. His ego has not become one with the Supreme Ego. So like the Great Sage Ravana who was so learned and so evolved fell down when his ego created illusions of Grandeur about himself. He fell down and became a Raksha.He thought, in his ignorance that he had become greater than God.
            In answer to your question about losing one’s freedom is because of the nature of Maya or iIlusion. Only through meditation, introspection and constant practice and watching oneself like a sentry on duty that the peels of onions slowly come off. But one has to be always alert as the Maya and Ego which is also one’s mind plays tricks all the time. When you have reached you know. It is not a struggle but just witnessing of all within and outside.
            Re: Real Evolution of self. It is going on since creation. We have passed from amoeba stage to this complex stage of millions of cells.In India it is called 84 lakh Yonis. At each sorting time there was selection of species which was best set to evolve further. We humans have reached the zenith of our evolution as human beings with us using our 5 senses of being aware of the outer world . Now a new dimension has been added of vibratory awareness which is slowly spreading in our species . The next selection of species will be of the humans fit to evolve to this new level of awareness. Some of the old awareness levels will go away in the background as new levels of awareness come in. Self or Soul does not need evolution. It is free. It is beyond evolution. A seeker asked Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi ” Mother, When will I get Moksha?” She replied” “You are Mukta” She was speaking about the real Self which is who we really are. we are.

            • Thanks Mam, It shows even though I am “Mukta” and even having vibratory awareness I should remain constantly alert that I should not regret, my ego should be down to earth.even though I am witnessing at same time I should be in action. the actions which will helpful to mankind . I should be seeker bur not self benefit but should be think of other on material level…and whatever pain i am having those are related to bodily things not going to continue… but still suffering remains… which gives various emotions and ego conflicts , when one can become real Mukta ? or there will no rebirth to real Mukta as per Indian tradition ? what do u think?

              • Suffering remains because of the mind. If someone insulted you and you never felt bad then you did not suffer. If someone close died, and you did not react with outer emotions but became thoughtless then you did not suffer. Or if it did pain you then you came back to your original calm self very quickly, knowing that no one dies. Knowing that at this stage in our evolution we are not able to connect to another dimension where people go once they shed the body. But to know that many things that were unheard of perhaps at little as 200 yrs ago are now possible. It was not that they were not there. It was just that we had not yet found them out.Some had , but the majority had not. It is not easy to get over suffering or pain but it has been done and can be done with sustained effort.
                Regarding a Mukta person. It matters not to him whether he is in human form or not. After such a person dies he has the freedom to take human birth or not. It is his choice, and may come back to help others.As per Indian tradition Moksha does not mean only after death. You can be a Mukta person even when alive in human form.

                • GS Says:

                  Body and Mind are part of the Illusion. If investigated deeply they disappear.

                  When we say I am not feeling well, it is very clear that there is a observer observing his/her body and making this statement.

                  Similarly, When we say we are suffering, then there is some one who is observing this and telling this. Similarly when we say our mind is disturbed, it clearly says there is someone who is “other” than the mind making this observation.

                  Knowing that I am neither the body nor the mind, (since they are ever changing phenomenon, just like very other part and particle of the world), is Mukti.

                  Just because one is a Schwarzenegger, it does not mean he will survive a meteorite strike. He is physically more fit than most of us. But he has his limitation. All bodies will get sick, old and eventually Die. No exception to this.

                  Similarly, some can be very tough and say nothing affects them. But even they will break down once a limit is breached.

                  The purpose of this Universe is to experience the multiple feelings, emotions and the variety and diversity. To say that one should not emote is unnatural. Just because one sits tight and does not show any emotion does not mean he/she is a Mukta. These reactions are due to the inherent nature of the person (Mind and Body complex). The Mukta knows he is neither of these.

                  Suffering is part of the mind. and the mind will go about doing its business. Letting go of the identity of oneself with the limited mind is Mukti. This liberated one instantly from the wrong notion of suffering.

                  Evolution is a relative unfolding of events. It has no consequence whatsoever for Mukti, Moksha.

                  The real me is unattached with this Universe. Whether the Universe is just created or sustained, or evolved and advanced or perishing stage, has no consequence on the real Me.

                  Yes, as you rightly said Moksha can happen only when alive🙂

                    • Theory/concept .. no problem…!!!! very clear … but what about practical ? because When I regrade or forgotten to myself in play of magic box I dont know where I am and what i am doing and what is my purpose … still enjoy the game …with involving emotionally that’s why whole drama become a beautiful event for me which can be memories and lived many times either good or bad way depending on my attitude …..that is the life … it may be a moment on large timeline scale or does not interfere any thing .. but it should affect to me because the distance between two breaths ( first /last) is too long to neglect for me.
                      ….as u people suggest real me should be remain unaffected , quite and undisturbed… even unnoticed
                      Theory/concept .. no problem…!!!! very clear … but what about practical ? …
                      thanks

                    • GS Says:

                      Mahesh,

                      The question rises when the theory/concept is not fully understood. Once understood, all questions vanish.
                      Understanding your true self is the key. Once you know who you are, then this question will immediately disappear🙂

  3. Hansa Says:

    Very true…I was just thinking of writing a post on my blog and you already wrote it🙂 Thanks…it is a very eye opening post…I think this is the time for Hope…hope for all of humanity and yes…this is no time for games…people have to realize that it is a change and hope for the best…🙂

  4. GS Says:

    Is there a single moment in time, where there is no Transformation? 2012 is a name given to a period in time. Just like we create our own boundaries which are not real..Like saying India is defined by such-and-such borders. Do You see what these borders do? They create conflict🙂

    Time is a continuum. We give it names. second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, century, millenium etc. etc and similarly milli,micro, nano, pico etc..But Time itself would care less about our definitions.

    The only Time that actually is capable of being experienced is Now. The past and the future and any such boundaries by names are mere fabrication of the mind.

    Transformation is continuous, Not a single moment goes without transformation. 2012 is a name of our own fabrication.

    The World as we see will end when it ends, all things that are created are destroyed. Not knowing when and how is important for the enjoyment of the world. Predicting the future is Equal to Killing the future. Like Telling the climax of the movie.

    The movie is a fabrication of the mind, so the ending is already known, but to the viewer it is very important that the end is not known until the end. The movie maker goes to great extent creating suspense, drama, excitement, uncertainty. It i very difficult to create such things well. It is easy for the movie maker to go out and tell the world the climax. But would he do it? … Please ponder.

    Similarly, the future of the world can be very easily predicted, *if needed*. But that would kill the experience of life.

    • axinia Says:

      Hi GS, great to hear from you again!🙂
      Yes you are right, we live in an ongoing transformation, every day every minute. However the current times are speial because the transformation is taking place more rapidly than ever! With all the technologies like Internet and iphons people are able to exchange so much information and stay connected as never before, and the speed is increasing…sure you know what I mean. Even 5 years back the time did not feel like it now. lets talk after the 2012 is over.

      • GS Says:

        Axinia, Always a pleasure to be here. Nice set of articles and discussions.

        The rapidity of change is relative. What appears to be a rapid progression in the near past, is relative. When there were no telephones, the number of people with whom we connected were *numerically* less. Then the telephones came. same with every innovation. Internet seems to connect more and more people. But there are still equally more number who are not connected. Today people seem to be connected to someone across the planet, yet they don’t know the name of their neighbor.🙂 So.. its all relative.

        It appears we have more and more information and more quickly. But it is relative. There is still vast or in fact infinitely more information out there which apparently are away from us.

        Even if we all get connected one day, we will still be yearning for being unable to connect with Aliens🙂 You know what I mean.

        So everything is relative. 2012 is by no means more exciting than 1 AD🙂 it was equally exciting, even 5000 years ago, *rapid* growth and progression, in knowledge and standards. It always was.. and it always will be🙂

        • Dear GS, Very deep thinking and much food for thought.:) After reading your comment I became totally thoughtless. Later as I sat in a park I saw a dog playing, a cat crossing, little children playing, and I pondered over what you wrote. I saw that the dog, the child, the plants, the sun, the wind, in fact nature all live in the ‘Now’. I realized that we humans can experience nothing except in the Now. The future and past can be experienced only in the Now and that too as an experience or possibility. All our theories, time, knowledge can be experienced only in the Now.
          I see what you mean. The universe will go on transforming in timelessness as it has always. When we were amoebas , then many-celled animals, then sea creatures, then land mammals, then dinosaurs, then monkeys , then prehistoric man we lived like the dog, the child and nature. We were oblivious of who we were. We were not aware of time, or anything, just our basic needs of survival. Then a great event happened in that timelessness. A seed sprouted forth and man started inquiring. He learned skills, languages, communication, etc. He grew curious as to who he is? Why is he here? What is his purpose? This special quality of inquiry came into the homo-sapiens only and not into other living things. Why? Perhaps to know ourselves and to know the one Who created it all. Then he created calenders, time, compartments to understand his living in society. It made no difference to the universe. Its evolution went on just as it has to be. But what was the purpose in the human creature being able to decipher a lot of what was going on?
          Perhaps the Creator of this movie of Life,& the Universe is a Fabrication of the Great Mind. Only the Creator knows the end. But perhaps this Great Mind wants to show and share His creation. Perhaps that is why he made the human being to know and perhaps to become a co-creator in his movie when he is evolution wise ready.
          (Quote)“Predicting the future is Equal to Killing the future.”
          But many saints, incarnations, sages came to tell us of these times and other Yugas. Markendeya, Nostre Damus, the Mayans etc. They all knew that the world, or creation will end when it will. They were all highly realized souls who knew that there is nothing but the NOW. Then why talk about it?
          (Quote)“So everything is relative. 2012 is by no means more exciting than 1 AD it was equally exciting, even 5000 years ago, *rapid* growth and progression, in knowledge and standards. It always was.. and it always will be ”
          And yet it is only in these times that humanity en-masse has become aware of it. At that time very few knew it. The rest were still unaware. That’s what one ponders on………..:)

          • GS Says:

            Dear Deepa,

            Thank you for your post.

            Please think about this….Evolution is a theory. No one has ever observed an Ameoeba *become* a more advanced creature, and progressively evolve and eventually into Humans.
            Even if you assume that is true, then think about what is the changeless continuity in all these changes.

            The Experience that we have called Life is a story, similar to a plot unwinding, the story unwinds. And the scale is enormous. Generally a story will start with a person at some point in time. But the story of Life, is at a much larger scale. But except for this scale, this is nevertheless a story. and stories are created with one purpose. to Entertain🙂 Also, just like in a movie, a sense of scale is provided without actually giving the details, so is Life. It appears vast, both in terms of time and space. But if you look closer and deeper, it completely vanishes. Today science has arrived at this conclusion after observing the micro as well as the macro universe.

            Just like a magic show will no longer be a magic show, if we know exactly how the trick is done, so is Life. So, the unpredictability is an essential, necessary ingredient! Imagine in a magic show if someone sits in front of us and keeps on telling, “He had it up his Sleeve”, “I know how its done”,” Oh its just a little trick”..etc. will you enjoy such interruptions? Sages and saints who claim to predict the future are similar people. And if we closely examine that none of them predicted anything with usable accuracy, we will know the message they all carried. That the world cannot be predicted.

            Not because it is difficult, or impossible, but because, predicting would spoil the story.

            There is a great deal of research going on, with Billions(with a B) of dollars spent, in order to be able to predict the Financial markets. if for a moment, you can imagine the consequence of a completely predictable market, you will realize the entire Financial markets will collapse. Just like Las Vegas has to wind up if one can predict the outcome🙂

            Evolution, Progression and the apparent Development are all relative.

            If I tell you, there is a person named A, who does not even have electricity in his house, no telephone, no internet connection, and has never traveled even by train, leave alone by Airplanes, you would think of some one in an under developed country living in miserable conditions. But I am talking about Alexander the Great🙂 See.. everything is relative.

            Its a Magic show, and to know the secret behind the trick is simply to End the Magic🙂

            • axinia Says:

              GS, this is brilliant!
              “Just like a magic show will no longer be a magic show, if we know exactly how the trick is done, so is Life. So, the unpredictability is an essential, necessary ingredient!”
              i really never thought of that.

              • there is life between unpredictability….otherwise it would have bored…

                • GS Says:

                  Yes..The apparent ability to predict is to provide continuity. If Life is totally random, it would loose the ability to provide entertainment. For example if in a magic show, a magician becomes a duck, and then the duck becomes a frog, and suddenly there is a Fox, and so on… you will soon loose interest.

                  So, it is essential that there be apparent predictability. For example “nothing can come out of empty space”. This law, or predictable behavior is essential to create excitement when the magician pulls a rabbit out of an empty hat. If everything is random and unpredictable, then we will not be excited.

                  So there is apparent predictability.

                  But what is important is, we should not misunderstand this to assume we can predict the world, if we try hard🙂

              • GS Says:

                Hi Axinia, I am glad you are able to appreciate this viewpoint! Yes, we are so caught up in assuming that this is a clock-work universe, with precise relation between cause-and effect, we tend to think we can predict it. And also we assume that if we can predict the future somehow life will be better. But nothing can be farther than the truth. Letting go of the necessity to know the future, as well as a craving to have an ‘explanation’ of everything is a liberating experience.
                Have you every had the experience of forgetting to take your camera on a outing. Initially you feel bad that you forgot the camera, but soon you realize you are enjoying your travel much much better, without the distraction of the camera forcing you to stop, sit , arrange and shoot. Instead you are totally immersed in the experience🙂

              • Hi Axinia and GS
                when unpredictability and uncertainty is exist there starts probability ,what i learn in bio statistics last year so lets think for probabilities in 2012…!!! as so much discussed , still more ….can we think scientifically?

                • GS Says:

                  Mahesh, Probability is just another way at an attempt to predict, which is based on past events. One should realize that it is impossible to predict.🙂

                • Yes, Mahesh. There is the law of probabilities and also when we start a research we put a hypothesis . We begin from there.Many science fictions have become reality. Like a plane flying in the sky. It was mentioned in mythology. It was a story, perhaps to many a figment of one’s imagination. But today it is so commonplace that it is taken for granted. An architect visualizes a building in his mind. It is a concept conceived in future.He then puts it down on paper. Then the building is built and his future vision of what he saw becomes reality.
                  Probably had he not seen or conceptualized the building in his mind it would not been standing .

                  • GS Says:

                    Predicting the future is slightly different from attempting to build a future.

                    Effort and result Cause and Effect. The relationship is not Direct.

                    Even with the best efforts more dreams do not come true. And even without a dream sometimes somethings come true.

                    While Effort is an important agent in producing a result, there is no way one can predict the outcome.

                    But we wrongly assume that the more effort we put in, the better we become, the outcome is guaranteed. But far from the truth.

                    Just like an idea magically appears inside the mind of someone about something, so does the real object !!!. But in order to create an illusion of cause and effect, it is made to appear as if the dreaming, visualization, hard work and efforts are the reason for the outcome🙂 Otherwise if that object magically appears out of thin air, it would be confusing🙂

                    • I agree efforts and results can not be correlated but main idea behind it is intention. effort with good intention gives better satisfaction then results may be adverse ,so there, he do not predict or uncertain but he believes strongly on what he is doing so even though uncertainty is essential the person remain quite stable irrespective of results so theory of probability and good hypothesis does work together in scientific research…

                    • GS Says:

                      Intention and feeling good are Ok🙂 In fact you can feel good in so many ways. and its very relative. Varies from individual to individual.

                      But since we were talking about predicting the future I emphasized it.

                  • today in work shop again I learn prediction model is possible it can be bivarate or multivarate only thing is internal and external validity of working model should be confirmed … any way there is an interesting comment at end with one story … A man flying in balloon ask where am I and what is my fate .A man down replied down after one hour this is your height altitude and gratitude if this is wind direction u will reach amezan within a week so man replied, u must be statistician because u replied late ,it must be correct and lastly it is not useful to me as it cant change my fate…
                    thanks GS and Deepa mam thanks again for wonderful contribution

  5. Dont know how you get the emoticons here, Axinia. I tried but failed.

  6. Sam Says:

    Hi Axinia ……..Considering that we have just 1 and a half year left,the realization task is going on with a tremendous force here in India.I hope the same for other countries.There is an immediate need to spread light and that can be done only by giving realization.We have to come together and declare the truth openly.Even now the 40% task looks very difficult.But we can accomplish by believing in the divine.All of us whom God has chosen for this tremendous task need to understand our responsibility and start working urgently but not continuously and leaving aside all our responsibilities.We should devote our spare time left after completing our responsibilities and meditation.Now we can’t afford to waste our time or else it will be TANDAWA!

  7. Dmitri Says:

    טוב….חחחחחח…..!!!!!!!

  8. Björn Says:

    my guess that we are entering a multidimensional way of being because we as human beings are multidimensional by our very nature.. meaning we are full grown masters of our own destiny within the boundries of our chosen goal to be achieved in this incarnation.
    So what will YOUR 2012 look like. I know exactly how mine will look like… and let me tell you it is wonderful.
    It is time to achieve full self-responsabilty and lets have gods plan unfold in our life…

  9. I am totally awed with the article . I think it’s truly the most cool and positive prophesy , full of optimism whivh allows you to look forward to the future.

  10. to be truthful, i myself don’t believe in what a group of people believed would happen to the world thousands of years ago. but i really agree with you that this is time for the world to face a huge transformation. and the part about greatest wisdom and real knowledge- a simply insightful and wonderful presentation. Carpet Cleaning


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