1000 petals by axinia

the only truth I know is my own experience

I heard my name being called September 18, 2009

For years, copying other people,

I tried to know myself.

From within, I couldn’t decide what to do.

Unable to see, I heard my name being called.

 Then I walked outside.

The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you.

RUMI (1207-1273)

(image by me)

 

26 Responses to “I heard my name being called”

  1. axinia Says:

    this poem is a Beauty – in the typical Sufy manner it shows the way to find oneself – intrestingly Rumi often reffers to the breeze and many of his poems are so exctaly describing the sahaja meditaion sensations and bliss..Rumi could obviously feel the vibrations.

    For me the beauty of such things is in the fact that I TOO KNOW what it is :Not the mere wording, but sharing the same experience is what really matters…

    • swaps Says:

      …and he says dawn too, is it not significant? Even as a novice, I know the spontaneity of dawn.

      • axinia Says:

        the dawn (I guess it is either sunset or sunrise) is the time between the past and the future, it is THAT MOMENT,it is the time when the sky plays with its most beautiful colurs and delivers us awesome and divine pictures…

  2. One can never be anyone but oneself. Everyone is unique and trying to be someone else would guarantee a failure.

    On the other hand, there is nothing wrong in copying the best practices of others since:

    A wise person learns from others’ mistakes,
    An average person learn from his/her own mistakes,
    A fool never learns!

    😐

    • axinia Says:

      usually people consider me to be a wise person, but I never learn from other’s mistakes, only from my own. on the other hand I just do not like many things normally people like – things that later result in mistakes. May be that is my wisdom? Anyway as I stated before, i only trust my own experiences.

      • YES, you are indeed a very, very wise person! How do you learn everything from your own experience 😕 I can’t since my experiences are fairly limited 😦 You must have an extraordinary intuition then!

        • axinia Says:

          it`s a good question, Raj…
          I don`t learn “everything”, it is not possible. Many things I can percept within seconds, for which other may need years. This is all easily possible throught vibratory awareness which I use normally.

          But even before I came to Sahaja yoga I was simply not interested in many things which the mainstream likes. May be I had all that experiences in my past lifes and knew they are useless??

          I know you don` t believe in past life, but how otherwise you can explain why people are born with different experience levels?..

          • You’re right, Axinia, I don’t believe in the so-called “previous lives”. And I don’t believe in the competing system of “heaven” and “hell” either. At least, I don’t believe in these things in the sense they are conventionally understood. 😐

            Born with different experience levels 😕 I don’t know what you meant by that. One’s behaviour at any point in time is decided by a combination of nature (the genes), nurture (the environment in which one is brought up), nutri (the substances one takes) and some other factors.

            Axinia, since you so ardently believe in “previous lives” and presumably the concept of “karma” as it is usually touted, do you seriously believe that a little child who is born with, say a heart defect, should be allowed to suffer horribly and die within a few months because she “earned” it because of her “bad karma” earned in a “previous life”, even if she can be cured of it in a few hours by surgery 😕

            • axinia Says:

              I wonder how you can imagine me thingking this way?

              Yes I do believe in karma, but it does no mean we have to suffer. Any karma can be worked out, and today much easier than ever ( on both, physical – lie a surgery – or spiritual way).

              If you remember my post about Akiane (the child painter) – that is a brilliant example of what I call a dirrefernt experience level. The most amazing point her is that she paint like a adult, a long time trained painter. It means this painting techique she worked out in her previous lives and just broght it into this one.

              Same as with many talents people have. 90% of any talent is a hard work and one needs may be several lives to develop one really great talent.

              That is what is obvious to me.

        • swaps Says:

          But learning as is commonly understood is limited by observation but true knowledge is too vast ….in fact, beyond our intellects (read thoughts). I believe ‘it’ is within ourselves…cann’t say anymore at this point 😦

          Anyway, so called scientific temper is actually classical and reductionist.

  3. draupadi16 Says:

    Danke für die brührenden Zeilen. Als ich im Jahr 2008 das Grabmahl von Rumi in Konja besuchte, war ich überrascht von der wunderschönen respektvollen Umgebung – nach mehr als 700 Jahren – die Vibrationen waren so stark! Draupadi.

  4. Axinia,

    I did not imagine you thinking that way 😦 I know you wouldn’t 😐

    But I’m saddened that your fascination with oriental spirituality has made you believe the newborn’s heart defect is because of “bad karma” in a “previous life” and not due to a freak occurence during pre-natal development 😦 despite your upbringing in an atheist society that encouraged science 😐

    If indeed the defect is because of her “bad karma”, then why should the surgeon even intervene? Shouldn’t one let the child suffer and die because she “earned” it and has to face the “divine wrath” and “karmic law” for her own “past” actions and then we can all sing praises to “god” for his “beautiful karmic plans” for the world 😕 If “karma” can be worked out easily as you believe, then what’s the significance of “karma” in the first place? Doesn’t the entire concept seem so weak since it’s completely incapable of standing up by itself or leading humankind to ethical behaviour? In other words, doesn’t the concept of “karma” as it’s normally touted, remind you of the word superstition 😕

    Akiane is a highly gifted child, no doubt. I believe her talent is because her genes have made her brain neurons to be wired in a particular way (and some other factors as well) as to give her precocious artistic talent.

    I sometimes seriously wish that “eastern culture” and the “way of thinking” perishes completely 😡 Not only are they responsible for keeping the hordes of the east in perpetual misery and Third World status (except a few “westernised” societies), they are inherently incapable of making any worthwhile contribution to the advancement of humankind and civilisation. What’s worse is that they are capable of holding back humankind’s progress and even taking it backwards with their mediaeval, regressive ideas and belief in rapid overbreeding 😡
    ——————————————————
    Swaps,

    I agree, knowledge is simply too vast. But just because of its vastness, should one be scared of even trying to unlock it? Just because the ocean extends beyond the reach of our eyes, should we fear to even sail it 😕

    • swaps Says:

      @Raj, I have a simple problem yaar. I want to express love, can science or all the knowledge at our disposal help me.

      Sorry, if I sound arcane but that is my problem…to convey an experience.

      • Swaps, why not? Love is something that has to be conveyed by actions, not merely imagined or claimed, isn’t it? 😕

        Take the case I mentioned. How can one express their love to the child spiritually? By singing praises to the imaginary entity for his “beautiful karmic plan”? By spreading “holy ash” on the child? By reading a “holy book” to her and getting her “blessed” on behalf of “god” by a religious person? Of course, one could say those are acts of love. But does the child experience those acts of spiritual love? Not a bit – the poor thing wouldn’t even notice it as life ebbs away slowly and painfully from her 😦

        On the other hand, let the fellow with the scissors and forceps in his hand express his love for the child by his preferred method. It may sound silly to all the spiritual folks, but the surgeon doing his work IS an act of love for the child! Even if it’s his job and gets paid for it, by doing it he is performing an act of love. Perhaps it’s the only act of love than can be experienced by the child. Let the child decide for herself if science or spirituality were able to convey their love better 😐

        • swaps Says:

          @Raj, both the superstitious priest and the practical doctor are doing the same deed – playing out their respective roles. Nothing more, nothing less 🙂

          • One could say that, Swaps. But when it comes to the role and influence of the two on society (and humanity by extension), there is a huge difference.

            The superstitious fellow encourages belief in a non-existent “all powerful” imaginary entity as the answer to everything in society and “fate” and “bubble existence” as being more powerful than free will and action and hates openness and progress. It turns out to be nothing more than a myth, deliberately perpetrated only to keep his vice-like grip on society as the “link” to the mythical imaginary entity. The result is a decadent, regressive, insular society that tends to bring destruction upon itself, like mediaeval Europe.

            The practical solver rejects the myths of the imaginary entity, notions of “fate” and insists on free will and action to solve real world problems instead of “bubble existence” and “escapism” to a mythical realm. Even if he is doesn’t have the capability to solve problems, he tries to acquire it or import ideas and means, thereby encourging openness and a progressive society like post-Renaissance Europe 🙂

            • swaps Says:

              I admit I am not a very practical person Raj 🙂
              But I like …For years, copying other people,

              I tried to know myself.

              • It does sound very original and spontaneous.

                I guess it would sound even better in Persian 🙂

                • seeker2008 Says:

                  Speaking of Persian,

                  I am not of the East, nor of the West, nor of the land, nor of the sea;
                  I am not of Nature’s mint, nor of the circling heavens.
                  I am not of earth, nor of water, nor of air, nor of fire;
                  I am not of the empyrean, nor of the dust, nor of existence, nor of entity.
                  I am not of India, nor of China, nor of Bulghar, nor of Saqsin;
                  I am not of the kingdom of ‘Iraqain, nor of the country of Khurasan.
                  I am not of this world, nor of the next, nor of Paradise, nor of Hell;
                  I am not of Adam, nor of Eve, nor of Eden and Rizwan.
                  My place is the Placeless, my trace is the Traceless;
                  ‘Tis neither body nor soul, for I belong to the soul of the Beloved.
                  I have put duality away, I have seen that the two worlds are one;
                  One I seek, One I know, One I see, One I call.

                  – Rumi

              • swaps Says:

                What I meant is we must not copy the West…there is no bigger threat to us.

                • I wish just the exact opposite… keeping ourselves insular with “our culture” (which remains stuck in the mediaeval ages to this very day 😡 ) is going to destroy us completely. We are already the laughing stock of the world for our shameless arrogance and hypocrisy (touting what turns out to be a regressive, backward “culture” as a “great asset”). I’m not surprised that the entire world can see right through our pathetic arrogance and disgusting double-standards. A semi-civilised slumdog acting like a proud peacock when outside its kennel evokes more than just laughter 😆 It immediately announces our actual mentality on a loudspeaker 😐

                  Cultures that once got left behind by the West’s rapid progress caught up with it by adopting and applying Western ideas and concepts (Japan, South Korea etc.) The ones that’re too arrogant and narrow-minded to improve themselves are bound to (and deserve to) rot, decay and perish!

                  • axinia Says:

                    the ideal would be when East and West could meet – in every sense of it.

                    • I guess the meeting can take place in two ways. The first happened when the culture of the Far East met that of the West and benefited each other mutually (though not immediately). The Japanese and the South Koreans adopted and applied Western scientific and political concepts and began developing them even further on their own. The West too adopted many good practices of the Far East like martial arts, kaizen, 5S, anime etc. It’s a sign of two sophisticated cultures recognising the good of the other one and improving mutually.

                      We see the second kind (clash of civilisations) happening right now, i.e., the arrogant, overpopulated, semi-civilised Third World with its crude and mediaeval ideas trying to bring down the First World in alliance with the “globalist” crooks who control the First World. It’s a mutual relationship between the crooked, corrupt elite of the First World and the savage, criminal elite of the Third World. The crooked First World elites multiply their profits exponentially by exploiting the natural resources and slave-like labour of the Third World and destroying their own middle classes in the process. The criminal elite of the Third World get unimaginable amounts of bribes and pay-offs and can continue to savagely oppress their unfortunate masses without exhibiting even a hint of ethical behaviour 😡

                      Globalisation was always planned to happen this way. Instead of transforming the Third World into the First World, it was about pulling down the First World and transforming the entire world into a global semi-civilised Third World village 😦

  5. mahesh chendake Says:

    Very good discussion.
    everybody wants self identity.they get satisfied if identified. If one thinks of, in terms of achievements as per Mas low’s hierarchy . it lies top at triangle, even though many can survive and die without notice of world. It is the purpose who decides your self identity and self actualization and its success. personally I don,t believe in karma as it has its own cones and prejudices, I believe in my own work , my own efforts,and its purpose no bother why,when,where, how? whether success or failure ? There should be some space to keep hope alive and that is theory of “karma” . we can transfer our responsibility of failure easily on other specially when various things ( may be in environment, may be in gene, or may be casual or by accident) are not in our hand and we are managed by some one else.( May be within ( emotions , thinking, habits, abilities intuitions etc) or outside (pollution genotype mismatching and many more like riots , war , earthquakes) ) . witness state is important along with action ( Do not react but act wisely) Our neurological development decides how much we can achieve which is also depend on various internal and external factors within or without our limit ) Just your attitude , beliefs , perception and acceptance is important.


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