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What makes us tick? Desire, thought or action? – understanding cultural differences May 18, 2008

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What makes us tick? What gets us going? Desire matters but desires are the source of suffering, said Prince Siddharta, for most people do not understand their own desires… What we desire makes a difference in life, because more often than we think, we will get there.

In the beginning was Desire, not Action. Buddha, the sage from the East, got it right. Goethe`s Faust, the typical herald of the modern Western seeker, made a German suggestion that in the beginning was Action: “Am Anfang war der Tat”.

If Germans believed in action, the French were of the opinion that in the beginning was Thought. The children of Descartes trusted too much in their own mental constructions but…ideas can be dangerous. The scale of the killing in the French Revolution, 17.000 executions in one year or so was considerable for the time.

Gregoire de Klabermatten, “The third Advent”

 

19 Responses to “What makes us tick? Desire, thought or action? – understanding cultural differences”

  1. Interesting take on what has become social contract theory. From Kantian ethics to the code of the Samurai people have chosen their destiny over time, and at our own risk we tend to engage in historical fallacy.

  2. vishesh Says:

    but desire is important!this is something which i find strange because all adviatha philosophers say the same thing about desire.don’t you feel desiring something is also an action? of course there are things which happen on their own,but one should also know,that desire’s origin is also a part of destiny.we are all aware that buddha,wanted to know what was the truth of life…if it was a mere action that he left everything he had,i wouldn’t agree..behind every action,there is a reaction..we all desire to know things because we hate to be ignorant,we seek to become infinite..but as we go we should understand our desire and its origin…once we know the origin we can truthfully know what we will get..there are times when what you desire doesn’t reach you,at those times we need to indulge in retrospection…failure is the stepping stone to success..the defeat of desire takes place only when the understanding of its power is understood…

    thank you ,you can see the difference in the first few lines and now…i have understood a few things through this reflection..:)

  3. axinia Says:

    dear vishesh,

    that was exactly the point – that is what makes the differnece between the West and the East! and that is why it is difficult for them to understand ech other (same in respect of the post about Hinduism).

  4. So if someone is of the desire to get rid of desires, would it still be considered desirous?
    (Excellent photo that. I too have the desire to take photos like that 🙂 )

    Destination Infinity.

  5. axinia Says:

    great point, Destination Infinity – I would call the desire to get rid of all desires “the pure desire”, what say? 🙂

    As for photos – it took me only one year starting from no idea about photography. That was the pure case of desire, because I love to watch and to create beauty… it is not difficult, just start taking your pictures!

  6. vishesh Says:

    it is an interesting point,to get rid of desire,that is the one buddha had isn’t it..and the desire of kama,that is something which is needed to complete understanding of the self..

  7. Atlantic Says:

    patricksperry,

    Choseing ones destiny over time does not nessarily determine truth. I would think that history is a valuable resource in understanding the mistakes of the past and avoiding them in the future life. Determining what is true is actaully the combination of rational thought and history. Not one or the other. However your point is well taken. It is important not to put so much weight on history that we forget to think.

    Axina, it is true that there may be some things that other faiths understand better than with most so called Christians. It probibly has more to do with the things the human heart chooses to dwell and medatate on. The simpler the life of an idividual the purer and truer the thought. Ofcoarse, the fact that most Christians may not be real Christians does not take anything away from the teachings of Jesus nor the history of fullfilled biblical prophesy.

    Newfoundlander

  8. Rosa-Meera Says:

    Hallo, the photo is amazing. I feel like I can touch the petals and smell the tree!

  9. Atlantic Says:

    If Rational and spiritual thought alone were enough to determine truth than woundn’t it be fair to say that all rational people be one in matters of faith and religion? And since all world religions beleive sincerly, do we then say that some are not rational? No, all faiths are rational and spiritual to the human mind. Its about meeting the right balance between the rational and histoical fact.

  10. axinia Says:

    Dear Atlantic,
    you say:” the fact that most Christians may not be real Christians does not take anything away from the teachings of Jesus nor the history of fullfilled biblical prophesy.” and I agree! Unfortunately I met very few people understanding what Christianity and the message of Christ is about…

    But basically one can say the same about every religion – whe institution of religion has nothing to do with its master. Neither Jesus, nor Buddha, Moses, Rama, Krishna or Mohammed ever have written any text..

  11. Atlantic Says:

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to distruction, and many there be that go in there at:

    Because strait is the gait, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    Beware of the false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew chapter 7 13-15

    Axinia, in Biblical terms sheep represent the people of God. If we apply it to these verses it is not suprising that there are thousands of different Christian denominations each one incredibly confused. Many do not even know what exactly it is they beleive. Some even have elements of image worship along with a variety of traditions imported from the varies so called pagan religions. Also, if you were to look through a Christian grave yard you would see the inscription “resting in the arms of jesus, waiting for his soon return” or “this person is in heaven singing with the angels.” Which is it? Thousands of people includeing other christians have been killed in the very name of Christianity. But we only have one Bible and that means there is only one truth. What ever happened to the words “love your neibour.” There is a great controversy between evil and good forces in this world. The warning has been given. If Christians would simply read and study for themselves rather than listening to false prophets they would find their way back to that strait gait, being united on a single path. Unfortunatly the Bible predicts that this will never happen. Instead things will get much worse before they get better.

    Axinia, I think I understand your beleifs in some degree. Your last statement is made with the presumtion that all of these good men were just great prophets. The problem with this is that most Christians beleive that Christ Jesus is actually God in human form and not just a master. Is you point that these are all just names when infact there is only one God, and aren’t we all serving the same force for good? Maybe we are all looking for many of the same things but unfortunately different roads tend to lead to different destinations. There’s a lot of good people out there and who knows they might even make it with out a road map. I agree that it’s a matter of the heart and not a matter of religion but if there’s a guid to help us find our way than I’m all for it.

    I’m not sure what you meant when you said none of the great teachers of world faith had written any text. It is widely beleived that Moses wrote much of the old testement. Who wrote the Koran?

    Newfoundlander

  12. Raman Says:

    I think thoughts, desires and action – none belongs to us.

  13. axinia Says:

    Good word, Raman. The do not belong to us, but they have us! :)) dont you agree?

  14. Raman Says:

    Completely agree – so much so, that I often completely stop examining this part – it puts me under a lot of discomfort and depresses me because I’ve never been able to arrive a good enough answer!!

  15. Atlantic Says:

    Axinia,

    Refering back to number 11. I know that most Christians except Jesus as their God and savior. What does the Russian Orthedox Church teach?

    Actually World Book Encyclopedia says they do not beleive in the trinity. I guess this answers my question. Wow! I guess that means Russians don’t beleive he is God?

    Newfoundlander

  16. axinia Says:

    Atlantic,

    I think, Russian Orthedox Church believes in pretty much the same things, as any other Christian Church (I am not an expert otherwise of all that stupid differences they have – between Catholic, Protestant, etc.)These diffences are only in the heads of the you know whom… Anyway, I can only say that for sure Orthedox Russians believe that Christ is the Son of God. BUt they also very close to Mother Mary (it looks like they pray more to Her, there are more her icons).

  17. amzolt Says:

    Fascinating!

    I’ve been studying the concept of desire–meditating on the rotating web of synonyms created by my Visual Thesaurus…

    The software lets one seek images for the words–followed the leaf and arrived at your blog…

    Added you to my RSS Reader.

    ~ Alex

  18. axinia Says:

    thanks, Alex, that is really interesting…:)

  19. cwxwwwxdfvwwxwx Says:

    well, hi admin adn people nice forum indeed. how’s life? hope it’s introduce branch 😉


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